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    What to do with Item Pages

    The item pages are coming along greatly, so instead of re-importing all the items to fix the formatting (which would remove all the hard work that's already been done with obtaining info/etc) we have to go page by page fixing the format up.

    It's a lot of grunt work, but if people can even do 1-2 pages a day, it will help speed things up a lot.

    Right now, to find pages that need to be modified, you can just pick an item category and scroll your way down. Once more work has been done, pages that still need to be modified can be found in the Semantics category.

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    Before we get started, if the page is using any images already, make sure they're named accordingly.
    • Icons should be named "Item_Name_icon" and descriptions should be named "Item_Name_description". [/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • If they are not, save the current images to your computer.[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • Edit the page to remove these lines:
      |icon=
      |action image=
      |description image=[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • Once the lines have been removed, the link in the page will be fixed, and you can re-upload the old image.[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]


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    Basically, right now each page looks something like this:

    Code:
    [[item number:=15982| ]][[item name:=Priest's Earring| ]][[item plural log name:=priest's earrings| ]]{{item|description=[[item description:=DEF:1 Latent effect: DEF:8]]
    |type=[[item type:=Armor]]
    |flags=[[item flags:=Not auctionable]], [[item flags:=Equippable]], [[item flags:=Not vendorable]], [[item flags:=Not sendable]], [[item flags:=Rare]], [[item flags:=Exclusive]]
    |icon=[[item icon:=[[Image:item_15982_icon.png]]]]
    |stack size=[[item stack size:=1]]
    |singular log name=[[item singular log name:=priest's earring]]}}[[Category:Tagging]][[Category:Semantics]]{{armor
    |races=All Races{{racially equippable by all}}
    |slot=[[equipment slots:=L.ear]], [[equipment slots:=R.ear]]
    |shield size=[[shield size:=0]]
    |level=[[item level:=69]]
    |jobs=All Jobs{{equippable by all}}}}
    That's a huge mess. Basically, we need to remove all the semantic tags ([[something:=something]] and the {{equipabble stuff}})

    So basically, the stuff in bold needs to be removed:

    [[item number:=15982| ]][[item name:=Priest's Earring| ]][[item plural log name:=priest's earrings| ]]
    {{item
    |description=[[item description:=DEF:1 Latent effect: DEF:8]]
    |type=[[item type:=Armor]]
    |flags=[[item flags:=Not auctionable]], [[item flags:=Equippable]], [[item flags:=Not vendorable]], [[item flags:=Not sendable]], [[item flags:=Rare]], [[item flags:=Exclusive]]
    |icon=[[item icon:=[[Image:item_15982_icon.png]]]]
    |stack size=[[item stack size:=1]]
    |singular log name=[[item singular log name:=Priest's Earring]]
    }}
    [[Category:Tagging]][[Category:Semantics]]
    {{armor
    |races=All Races{{racially equippable by all}}
    |slot=[[equipment slots:=L.ear]], [[equipment slots:=R.ear]]
    |shield size=[[shield size:=0]]
    |level=[[item level:=69]]
    |jobs=All Jobs{{equippable by all}}}} //careful not to delete all 4 }'s here
    So once all that has been deleted, the end result should look like this:

    Code:
    {{item
    |description=DEF:1 Latent effect: DEF:8
    |type=Armor
    |flags=Not auctionable, Equippable, Not vendorable, Not sendable, Rare, Exclusive
    |stack size=1
    |singular log name=Priest's Earring
    }}
    [[Category:Tagging]][[Category:Semantics]]
    {{armor
    |races=All Races
    |slot=L.ear, R.ear
    |shield size=0
    |level=69
    |jobs=All Jobs
    }}
    Once all the semantic tags have been cleaned up, there are a few more changes that need to be made:

    • The singular log name needs to have the first letters capitalized.[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • For elemental resistance, the [[Image:Element-Icon.gif]] can be changed to just {{Element}}[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • If the item is not a shield, remove the |shield size= line[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • If the item is a ring or an earring, change L./R./ear/ring to just "Earrings" and "Rings"[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • If not included already, add [[Category:Item Type]], item type being the slot it's being used in, or what type of item it is, check here for list of item categories.[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • If the page is in need of images, or has the {{Need Image}} tag, please change it to or add the {{Item Image}} tag.[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • If the page is in need of "how to obtain" info, add the {{Item Info}} tag.[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • Once all the necessary changes are completed, remove the Tagging and Semantic categories.[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]
    • http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...pics/new-1.jpgIf item info or images are missing, but the {{Item Info}} and {{Item Image}} tags are there, it's OK to remove the Tagging and Semantic categories.[/*:m:1a9xkqd4]


    Once it's all said and done, the page looks like this:

    Code:
    {{Item Image}}{{Item Info}}
    {{item
    |description=DEF:1 Latent effect: DEF:8
    |type=Armor
    |flags=Not auctionable, Equippable, Not vendorable, Not sendable, Rare, Exclusive
    |stack size=1
    |singular log name=Priest's Earring
    }}
    {{armor
    |races=All Races
    |slot=Earrings
    |level=69
    |jobs=All Jobs
    }}
    [[Category:Earrings]]
    Any comments or questions, please post here and someone will respond. (*'-')b

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    Re: What to do with Item Pages

    Also, if there are already images, but they are not named according to the specifications above, please reupload the same image to the appropriate _icon.png or _description.png names AND add a {{Delete}} tag on the old image, so they can be marked for deletion.

    Thank you all very much for your support, we greatly appreciate it! :D

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    Re: What to do with Item Pages

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian
    • The singular log name needs to have the first letters capitalized.[/*:m:1t2nu82w]
    • For elemental resistance, the [[Image:Element-Icon.gif]] can be changed to just {{Element}}[/*:m:1t2nu82w]
    • If the item is not a shield, remove the |shield size= line[/*:m:1t2nu82w]
    • If the item is a ring or an earring, change L./R./ear/ring to just "Earrings" and "Rings"[/*:m:1t2nu82w]
    • If not included already, add [[Category:Item Type]], item type being the slot it's being used in, or what type of item it is, check here for list of item categories.[/*:m:1t2nu82w]
    • If the page is in need of images, or has the {{Need Image}} tag, please change it to or add the {{Item Image}} tag.[/*:m:1t2nu82w]
    • If the page is in need of "how to obtain" info, add the {{Item Info}} tag.[/*:m:1t2nu82w]
    • Once all the necessary changes are completed, remove the Tagging and Semantic categories.[/*:m:1t2nu82w]
    Saw some people making changes, looking good so far, but I'm quoting this part because it's quite important and some of it was ignored.

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    Re: What to do with Item Pages

    I know this is a bit late. I've been thinking over it since you made the initial post. But I keep forgetting to reply. But, don't you think we should KEEP the semantics in there? Have you seen how it works with the wiki? I always thought it was fantastic. Maybe with a little work, it would work out the way it was intended? Or am I missing something huge?

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    Re: What to do with Item Pages

    something that i didn't see mentioned in here, and was brought to my attention by someone on vent that doesn't even edit the wiki:

    add scholar and dancer to the appropriate equipment as you go through and edit these pages. i've completed about 300 of these pages before i realized that a lot of them need this info added.

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    Re: What to do with Item Pages

    What category of items should synthesis items be listed under? Say, Silk Cloth, or iron ore. Would it just be "inventory items", or is there something specific for crafting?

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    Re: What to do with Item Pages

    Quote Originally Posted by frdrizzt
    What category of items should synthesis items be listed under? Say, Silk Cloth, or iron ore. Would it just be "inventory items", or is there something specific for crafting?
    I would say just inventory items, since all kinds of items can be used for synthesis even if they are used in some other fashion.

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    Re: What to do with Item Pages

    before I do anymore, did I do this correctly? Let me know pls

    http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Fighter%27s_Calligae

    forgot link ><

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    Re: What to do with Item Pages

    I see some items have "Obtained From..." when it's obtained from an NPC, but I couldn't find an item that was linked to a monster. Does somebody know of one that I could use as a base to modify other items or are items currently not being linked to monsters?

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    Re: What to do with Item Pages

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivana
    I see some items have "Obtained From..." when it's obtained from an NPC, but I couldn't find an item that was linked to a monster. Does somebody know of one that I could use as a base to modify other items or are items currently not being linked to monsters?
    http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Category:Item_Info

    Has a few templates available for use, but it's missing a few more templates :/

    Item NPC/Item Monster are included though

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    Re: What to do with Item Pages

    Finished cleaning up Marksmanship including the ammo that is under that category, everything is down to just needed images/how to obtain info and tagged as such.

    If noone gets to it first I'll be starting Archery on Wednesday-ish when I get back to work from vacation.

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    Semantics category is now cleared :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by frdrizzt View Post
    Semantics category is now cleared :D
    I think that we need to throw a party!

    Now we need to get pictures of all of the item descriptions. :D

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    I'm still a bit sad that we removed the semantics completely. Figured keeping the stats linked to semantics would help in searches, and such.

    Still no one has stated why we were getting rid of the awesome semantics feature... I figured the best part would be to search different properties of these items through the semantics and find and compare different armors and weapons. Remember when somepage was good?

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    Could something be done for searchability within the actual templates, so it doesn't have to manually be added to all? I don't really know how the templates are designed.

    But even still, it's not like you could have done much more than sort by job & level, when a search would have been very useful if it broke down the stat increases (ex. Search by all pieces with MP+, INT+, STR+, whatever), which was impossible with the old semantics implementation anyway.

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    I have something that I would like to do for stats, I just have to set aside time to do it. Need more time in the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frdrizzt View Post
    Could something be done for searchability within the actual templates, so it doesn't have to manually be added to all?
    Not really, you can't access or even break down the values that are passed into the template, other than how you would display them using the template as a means for this.

    Quote Originally Posted by frdrizzt View Post
    But even still, it's not like you could have done much more than sort by job & level, when a search would have been very useful if it broke down the stat increases (ex. Search by all pieces with MP+, INT+, STR+, whatever), which was impossible with the old semantics implementation anyway.
    It is possible if we broke down the description string to each of its stat counterparts, which would also be a hell of a lot of work, since we would basically be redoing items again. But overall, I think it would be SO worth it, because then the Category listing pages for items (e.g. Category:Neck) could be automatically updated AND provide the search functionality as you mentioned. This would give us a sheer advantage over Ganipedia, I believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus View Post
    I have something that I would like to do for stats, I just have to set aside time to do it. Need more time in the day.
    Could you explain it in general please? I'm really intrigued by this idea.. though it's very vague. ; ;