Fin sushi whats the deal?

[NoCause]

I was looking at all the different sushi's today just to see what the real difference is between them all and I came across Fin sushi. FFXIWiki has it listed as +5 int only but I think they may be more than what has been suggested. I haven't got to test it since they first released this food some 4-5 months ago and on Ragnorak server there are never any up on the AH so i haven't got the chance to test it again. I remember when I did use this food on BLM I was not resisted at all at the pudding camp. At puddings you don't get resisted that much anyways but I was not resisted once in about 1 hours time and I was strickly using Water IV, Water III, Flood II, Fire IV, Fire III & Flare II to test to see if they would get resisted as Flans are Water based and in my thinking they would have a higher chance to resist these spells. To my point and maybe I was just lucky and this is just a waste of time but I would like to suggest that Fin Sushi gives Magic Acc instead of Acc that most of all sushi give.

Any help with this is greatly appreciated.

[ronin sparthos]

If this was the case id be in love with this sushi but i have a few questions about the new sushi myself since they seem to all have some sort of hidden efffects. Octopus Sushi comes to mind along with the wierd as fuck Crab Sushi.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I think crab sushi is just a cheap sushi
Octo sushi might have something hidden
Fin sushi most definitely has something going on; the fish needed to synth it is very rare and needs lu shang's or ebisu. MAcc might be possible, in which case whoa.

[NoCause]

Been trying to get the Fisherman/Cook of the LS to make some so I can actually put up some real test results but HNM's, Einherjar, and Dynamis have thwarted this.

[evilpaul]

I've fished up Kalkanbiligi and made my own Fin Sushi before. If OtherWiki doesn't list uncapped or very high acc cap for it, it's wrong. I used it before on either NIN or MNK and got the usual big boost from ones like Sole/Squid/etc.

A JP BLM and Cook+Fisher in my LS has eaten the stuff on BLM before, but I didn't ask if it was for something other than the INT+5. I'll ask her if I see her.

I got usually 1 fish per Nashmau boat ride. If I go catch and make some, how should I test it out?

I tested Octopus Sushi and it was just an uncapped sushi with STR+1 or something iirc. There might still be the thread by that name in the newbie section with the results.

I've got a piece of shrimp sushi that I haven't gotten around to testing the cap on yet still.

[Acorn]

I bought a stack of Fin Sushi this morning and did some testing.

So far I only have 60 total samples, 30 with no food and 30 with Fin Sushi. I got very interesting results so I plan to continue over the next day or two and end up with 100 samples of each.

Here is the info I have so far:

Job: SCH75/RDM37 (No art effect)

INT: 82+5

Elemental Magic Skill: 226 (I wanted this to be low so an increase in accuracy would be obvious.)

Target: Ebony Pudding

This test was done from Lightsday to Firesday with Thunder III, and when there was earth weather I gave myself Aurorastorm. The only equipment used was a Tamas Ring for the no-food test to make up for the 5 INT on Fin Sushi.

Now... I know this is only a small sample, but take a look at this:

Here is the raw data:

No food - 30 casts:

1/8 Resist - 9
1/4 Resist - 5
1/2 Resist - 9
No resist - 7


Fin Sushi - 30 casts:

1/8 Resist - 6
1/4 Resist - 2
1/2 Resist - 9
No resist - 13



....as you can see in this test Fin Sushi nearly DOUBLED the amount of full damage nukes. The rate of unresisted nukes went from 23.33% to 43.33% with Fin Sushi.

Conclusion: Fin Sushi appears to increase magic accuracy like NoCause expected. (Obviously this needs more testing but it looks pretty good so far^^)

[evilpaul]

It increased your full damage nukes by...6. I don't think you can draw a Magic Acc+% conclusion from that.

[ubermonkey]

Sample size is a bit small to draw any conclusions from.

[NoCause]

I would have to say try 100 casts with food and without food would be an adequite way to test it, this way we can yield an accurate % rate if in fact there is some magic accuracy behind this food. Still no luck in getting Fin sushi on Ragnarock so i haven't been able to gather any data. Well actually let me go test 100 spells from Tier IV nukes on puddings to get my number on no food so i can save myself some time.

Be back in like 2 hours >.>

[evilpaul]

A 50something Fisher with Lu's can pull in the fish. (I think Minnow as bait?)

[Hoshiku]

i've never looked up the stats on it but a friend in my LS said that fin sushi gave magic accuracy. on the rare occasion that i play blm, i have used fin sushi when i was worried about resists (ultima and ouryu fights). my linkshell did ouryu v.2 a week ago and we did two orbs. on the first orb i used fin sushi and while my damage wasn't amazing i got less resist than the second orb when i used melon pie +1. i don't have a record of my damage or resists between the two fights so it could be imagined, but i know i wished i had more than one piece of sushi at that time because the second orb really made me feel like a lolBLM ^^;;

[Halon50]

Would like to see more on this. Small sample size or no, it's still a pretty convincing boost.

[evilpaul]

Would like to see more on this. Small sample size or no, it's still a pretty convincing boost.

You seriously fail at statistics.

[NoCause]

Sorry I haven't posted in a day or so but work has been hell. I have all the data on my laptop at home and as soon as I get home I'll post what I came up with.

[Alistaire]

What you need is 2 people. Arrange it so your stats are equal int/mab/magic acc (probably best to not use elemental staves) counting the fact that 1 person has the sushi and the other is using no food. Then cast spells on the same mob keeping in mind if 1 person lands a thunder spell then a thunder spell right after will be slightly weakened. Don't cast spells that the mob or the day are weak or strong against. If a mob was weak to water and strong vs fire person 1 casts bliz and other casts thunder. So you'll basically get 1-2 pair of castings per mob, better bring some "dummy" blms to finish each mob off after that to speed things up. You also don't want to do this on mobs you'll have a 90%+ success rate (or 90%+ fail) with no food.

[Wizerd]

What you need is 2 people. Arrange it so your stats are equal int/mab/magic acc (probably best to not use elemental staves) counting the fact that 1 person has the sushi and the other is using no food. Then cast spells on the same mob keeping in mind if 1 person lands a thunder spell then a thunder spell right after will be slightly weakened. Don't cast spells that the mob or the day are weak or strong against. If a mob was weak to water and strong vs fire person 1 casts bliz and other casts thunder. So you'll basically get 1-2 pair of castings per mob, better bring some "dummy" blms to finish each mob off after that to speed things up. You also don't want to do this on mobs you'll have a 90%+ success rate (or 90%+ fail) with no food.

- You don't need 2 people.
- The elemental magic damage and resistance patch only affects Impossible to Gauge conning mobs.
- You should be casting the same element on the monster for tests with and without the sushi.
- Use tier 1 spells so you can get a relatively large sample size in a reasonable amount of time.
- Use Even Match monsters if possible, unless you happen to have a way to keep the same mob up the entire time for your testing. If you use a VT mob and it depops and repops, it may repop at a different level.

You're right about wanting a mob where your accuracy is in the middle. 50-65% would be ideal, pre-sushi.

I've been trying to get my hands on some Fin Sushi, but I don't know any cooks 89+ with the key item. I have two of the fish. All I have to do is wear something that gives -5 INT, and compare the new results with the old ones in my other thread.

[Thorny]

Fuu has the key item and 100 cooking if you didn't know, but I had a few made and if you want to design a test together I'd be more than willing to share Could probably get garr and skye to the same int/ele skill with a bit of effort and just use wiz/mya to hold a mob or something. I was planning on testing it myself, but we could get a much better sample size if we went together.

[Wizerd]

Fuu has the key item and 100 cooking if you didn't know, but I had a few made and if you want to design a test together I'd be more than willing to share Could probably get garr and skye to the same int/ele skill with a bit of effort and just use wiz/mya to hold a mob or something. I was planning on testing it myself, but we could get a much better sample size if we went together.

Aha, I didn't know she had cooking. Well, I got a friend who doesn't log on much (who happened to be on tonight) to make me 8. I figured I'd just work off my base testing that I'd already done. A sample size of 300 may not be super but it's much more than reasonable to see if it has magic accuracy on it, and roughly how much.

The only problem I'm running into is finding an item that gives INT-5 using only equipment (obviously food will already be on).

Edit: Woot, Devotee's Mitts and Custom Vest to the rescue.

[Samot]

This is very very interesting, i hope you helpful people continue testing till we get a solid answer. I could see eating alot of f'in sushi as rdm if this is true. I rarely eat anything except the occasional cookie anyway.


(i wish someone could figure out what octapus sushi does, there's gotta be more too it...)

Edit: i looked up fin sushi on ffxiah and sent a tell to one of the characters who seems to buy it often, i asked him if it was magic acc and he said it was +14% melee acc. I dunno if he's tested it or not, but has anyone checked to see if its... just regular sushi? i really WANT it to be magic acc, but Occam is wielding his razor at me.

[Pergo]

even though this wouldn't rule out m.acc, wouldn't a potentially easier way to check be checking if it gives melee acc (and/or r.acc), because i doubt it would give both/all3?