Scholar Discussion #3 (post March patch)

[Miltani]

Macroing in the pendant when you're mp is less than 51% would be the choice if you need that m.atk

[Muffins]

@Kaeko: I'd wager that SCH can, at least temporarily, spike damage higher than a BLM by weaving in Alacrity in your rotations. ;o That is, unless you're against a BLM/SCH doing the same thing. <.<

[Alibeemac]

Did Ouryu Last night on SCH and decided it is pure Hax ;o

Aoe Blizz on the BLMs then Aoe Klimaform rocks. SCH also can do pretty nice nuke damage to her too.


SCH Blizz 4

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d8...uBlizz4SCH.jpg

Previous run on my Blm doing Blizzaga 3. (couldn't find a blizz4 but i think Blizz 4 is around 580-590ish. Freeze2 did 707 on a previous run)

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d8...yuBlizzga3.jpg

[Kaeko]

Did you guys see a big difference with Klimaform?

[Alibeemac]

Did you guys see a big difference with Klimaform?

Yeah I did. I know on Vent after their first nukes Nara was yelling hax and <3 SCH lol. We took down 15% of its health in the first flight very quickly. BLMs in my party pulled hate very easily due to minimal resists. I know for me when Klimaform was active I had no resists whatsoever on Blizz 4 on SCH. Without it tho the resists were there now and then due to my Ele Skill only being 303. Wish the recast was shorter on Klimarform. Couldn't get it up every flight due to the long recast :/

Oh and I was having the same varied results again on Sublimation. Hit a 299 Sublimation in that fight despite not keeping HP gear on full time. Wish I knew 100% how that was being activated ><

[Kaeko]

Did you guys see a big difference with Klimaform?

Yeah I did. I know on Vent after their first nukes Nara was yelling hax and <3 SCH lol. We took down 15% of its health in the first flight very quickly. BLMs in my party pulled hate very easily due to minimal resists. I know for me when Klimaform was active I had no resists whatsoever on Blizz 4 on SCH. Without it tho the resists were there now and then due to my Ele Skill only being 303. Wish the recast was shorter on Klimarform. Couldn't get it up every flight due to the long recast :/

Oh and I was having the same varied results again on Sublimation. Hit a 299 Sublimation in that fight despite not keeping HP gear on full time. Wish I knew 100% how that was being activated ><

If you stack haste and fast cast gear, you can get the recast timer pretty low on Klimaform. I got mine down from 3:00 to 2:15 on RDM sub thusfar. That saves you at least 90 seconds on Manifestation + Klimaform.

Glad to hear it's actually useful.

[Alibeemac]

Did you guys see a big difference with Klimaform?

Yeah I did. I know on Vent after their first nukes Nara was yelling hax and <3 SCH lol. We took down 15% of its health in the first flight very quickly. BLMs in my party pulled hate very easily due to minimal resists. I know for me when Klimaform was active I had no resists whatsoever on Blizz 4 on SCH. Without it tho the resists were there now and then due to my Ele Skill only being 303. Wish the recast was shorter on Klimarform. Couldn't get it up every flight due to the long recast :/

Oh and I was having the same varied results again on Sublimation. Hit a 299 Sublimation in that fight despite not keeping HP gear on full time. Wish I knew 100% how that was being activated ><

If you stack haste and fast cast gear, you can get the recast timer pretty low on Klimaform. I got mine down from 3:00 to 2:15 on RDM sub thusfar. That saves you at least 90 seconds on Manifestation + Klimaform.

Glad to hear it's actually useful.

Yeah I sub RDM and macro in Turban, Loq Earring and Goliard Body atm. Should probably dig my Swift Belt, Dusk Gloves and Rostrum Pumps out too and use that to help things.

[eva00r]

Did you guys see a big difference with Klimaform?

Yeah I did. I know on Vent after their first nukes Nara was yelling hax and <3 SCH lol. We took down 15% of its health in the first flight very quickly. BLMs in my party pulled hate very easily due to minimal resists. I know for me when Klimaform was active I had no resists whatsoever on Blizz 4 on SCH. Without it tho the resists were there now and then due to my Ele Skill only being 303. Wish the recast was shorter on Klimarform. Couldn't get it up every flight due to the long recast :/

Oh and I was having the same varied results again on Sublimation. Hit a 299 Sublimation in that fight despite not keeping HP gear on full time. Wish I knew 100% how that was being activated ><

If you stack haste and fast cast gear, you can get the recast timer pretty low on Klimaform. I got mine down from 3:00 to 2:15 on RDM sub thusfar. That saves you at least 90 seconds on Manifestation + Klimaform.

Glad to hear it's actually useful.

Yeah I sub RDM and macro in Turban, Loq Earring and Goliard Body atm. Should probably dig my Swift Belt, Dusk Gloves and Rostrum Pumps out too and use that to help things.

[Main] All Races
DPS: 10.48 DMG:88 Delay:504 Latent effect: Accuracy+5 Haste+9%
LV 70 WAR BLM DRK BRD SMN SCH

[Main] All Races
DPS: 10.48 DMG:88 Delay:504 Latent effect: Accuracy+5 Haste+9%
LV 70 WAR BLM DRK BRD SMN SCH

[Main] All Races
DPS: 10.48 DMG:88 Delay:504 Latent effect: Accuracy+5 Haste+9%
LV 70 WAR BLM DRK BRD SMN SCH

[Main] All Races
DPS: 10.48 DMG:88 Delay:504 Latent effect: Accuracy+5 Haste+9%
LV 70 WAR BLM DRK BRD SMN SCH

Guess what?

[kenshyn]

lol chop chop chop rune HAX nerf weapon finds new use ftw?

[Meian]

Did you guys see a big difference with Klimaform?

Yeah I did. I know on Vent after their first nukes Nara was yelling hax and <3 SCH lol. We took down 15% of its health in the first flight very quickly. BLMs in my party pulled hate very easily due to minimal resists. I know for me when Klimaform was active I had no resists whatsoever on Blizz 4 on SCH. Without it tho the resists were there now and then due to my Ele Skill only being 303. Wish the recast was shorter on Klimarform. Couldn't get it up every flight due to the long recast :/

Oh and I was having the same varied results again on Sublimation. Hit a 299 Sublimation in that fight despite not keeping HP gear on full time. Wish I knew 100% how that was being activated ><

If you stack haste and fast cast gear, you can get the recast timer pretty low on Klimaform. I got mine down from 3:00 to 2:15 on RDM sub thusfar. That saves you at least 90 seconds on Manifestation + Klimaform.

Glad to hear it's actually useful.

Yeah I sub RDM and macro in Turban, Loq Earring and Goliard Body atm. Should probably dig my Swift Belt, Dusk Gloves and Rostrum Pumps out too and use that to help things.

Would it be practical to use Alacrity (the -50% cast one that also cuts in half the recast, forgot if that was the one) with Klimaform? Also, wouldn't the AF boots > Rostrum for recast?

[Aemora]

Excellent stuff on the Tier4 MP efficency (SP? :<) testing.

As for Klimaform recast...

Rostrum Pumps, Loquacious Earring, Walahra Turban, Swift Belt, Red Mage sub, Rune Chopper (and then stand and look silly as a person in a Mortarboard weilds a Great Axe as if he's on some murderous rampage with that odd gleam of rape in his eye) will bring it down to about 1:50 I should imagine, if not less (Lv69 onry, so still not quite there yet).

Alacrity > Manifestation > Klimaform should pop out recast of around 90 seconds (as Sch JAs apply to raw recast/mp-cost, not DA'd ones :<). That's 2 charges, so for this to happen again, you'd need 2 minutes. Add in Accession > Hailstorm and we're talking 3 minutes.

But, if you do this, you should be able to keep Hailstorm and Klimaform active every 3 out of 4 flights, taking a rest for the fourth for your Strategems to recharge, as you should at -least- regain 1 charge, if not a second by the time he flies again.

As for INT vs MAB...

Shit's Situational. INT is a factor which applies raw damage, whereas MAB is a factor that adds a percentage to your overall nuke. So the higher and more damage output you potentially have, MAB is the way to go. If you don't have the ability to stack MAB in nearly every corner of your equip slots, then INT is the way to go.

Say you geared yourself (roughly, because I doubt you could do it exactly) to the point where on a normal nuke, your INT set and MAB set would output the same amount of damage. Now, nuke in the same gear but this time off of a Skillchain for a Magic Burst. 100% the MAB set, no matter how shitty it is, will do more damage than your INT set. Of course the same happens but in reverse with resists; an INT set will output more damage on a resisted nuke than a MAB set (because partly this factors the Mob's INT too, and INT adds to lesser resist rates).

So really, if you find yourself resisting a lot on Scholar against EXP mobs, then there's something wrong. Then again, I should imagine that every serious mage in this thread would have their Elemental/Enfeebling skills merited (be they a Blm or Rdm main).

Idk, I'm loving the job atm and cannot WAIT to equip all my Blm goodies on it and save me some inventory space. Only thing I'd need from my list would be the Mufflers. :D

[Scorsese]

Too bad SCH can't wear Shadow Trews.

[Lordwafik]

! ! ! !

Sleepga 2 is becoming ours soon!

- Magic "Sleep II" does not extend its effect to targets within range when Scholar's job ability "Manifestation" is used.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnew ... 2821.shtml

[Aemora]

Yeah, fuck Black Mage...

Taking Sch to Einherjar from now on!

Also, I'd like to add that I find myself hardly resisting at -all- on Imps as Scholar, be they nukes or sleeps (again, +15 skill from Gown and +16 skill from Merits, so kinda hax).

[Miltani]

lol sleepga2 is ours!

[Draggy]

yay for sleepga II ! :D

trying to get these last few k to 72, to get my lovely Yigit /Errant stuff back x.x

And now with this update, i should actually be able to do stuff on Scholar, and it doesnt become another "go change to BLM please" job ._.

[Toth]

Very impressive Ouryu numbers, especially considering that she is one of hardest NMs to land reliable nukes on. My question is how was your resistance rate. Did Ebullience have any effect on your overall resist rates?

[Kaeko]

Need to point out about the Alacrity >> Manifestation >> Klimaform Idea, the lowest you can get the recast on that is 3 minutes. The recast reduction is capped at 50%, so after AoE Klimaform, you're going to auto cap it at 3:00 with Alacrity.

Also, whoever caught that SCH can use rune chopper <3

[Xaosykotik]

Need to point out about the Alacrity >> Manifestation >> Klimaform Idea, the lowest you can get the recast on that is 3 minutes. The recast reduction is capped at 50%, so after AoE Klimaform, you're going to auto cap it at 3:00 with Alacrity.

Also, whoever caught that SCH can use rune chopper <3

lol what would manifestation do for klimaform........lol nm i see.....doesn't make sense but i see.

[Aemora]

Orite, forgot about the "Doubles the Recast timer" when you Manifestation.

/nub'd again.